What is NutriCellix? Is it an innovative DNA Weight Loss Breakthrough?

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Is it an innovative DNA Weight Loss Breakthrough? Indeed, that's question that is being asked across the internet, social media networks and even in person between friends, family, acquaintances and even strangers. That's how MLM, Direct Sales, Network Marketing companies operate, share with anyone and everyone in your hot market, warm market, cold market and even those that come within 5 feet of you.

What is NutriCellix, is it a legitimate opportunity created in order to share unique health & wellness products or simply a Pyramid Scheme disguised and just a replacement for Neora? There are 5 other articles here on this website sharing growing information that helps created in order to answer these questions among others as well. At the bottom on the left, you'll find a search bar created in order to be able created in order to find them and other items of interest as well.

What is NutriCellix?

NutriCellix touts itself as the 1st custom weight management program that is based upon each consumer's unique DNA after having it analyzed at a certified lab utilizing a swab test that costs a mere $100 up front. When submitting your sample, you can also order your products & then they will supposedly be sent created in order to you after your DNA is analyzed and your unique products are created.

As Bo Short in the YouTube NutriCellix embedded video clip above specifies, it's a robust advertising and marketing platform and also streamlined ecommerce system that places the power of having your very own Amazon or Shopify Store in the palm of your own hands, without the demand for item stocking, overhead, pay-roll or various other normal headaches connected with traditional services.

Did NutriCellix launch in response created in order to Neora being targeted by the Federal Trade Commission, charging them with operating as an illegal Ponzi Pyramid Scheme?

Will the Federal Trade Commission target NutriCellix next?

I don't see that happening anytime soon as I believe that the FTC will have it's hands full for quite a while attempting to shut down Neora like they did Advocare recently. Also, with the restart of Nerium, renamed as “Pure Nerium Team” and with many of the same players, they may very well be next. Isagenix, who just last month purchased Zija would most likely be a much better choice for a healthy weight loss MLM, Direct Sales, Network Marketing Company promoting their products and opportunity.

(No, I'm not a representative for Isagenix, none of the aforementioned companies nor any other company that promotes health and wellness products)

 

Are the NutriCellix Products and/or Opportunity recommended?

My answer to the above question would be an absolute No!

Am I saying that NutriCellix.com is a scam and not a legitimate opportunity or that the products aren't useful?

No, I'm not saying that as time will be needed in order to make those judgments, NutriCellix only launched a little over a month ago on New Year's Day.

The reason that I absolutely don't recommend the products and/or opportunity is that I find it hard to believe that even if some ambassadors/representatives do indeed pay the $100 for the DNA test that the products will be unique. Outside customers, I feel will be even tougher to convince to submit to the test prior to receiving the unique customized products. No outside customers = illegal ponzi pyramid scheme as well as un-sustainability of any worthwhile compensation plan.

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54 thoughts on “What is NutriCellix? Is it an innovative DNA Weight Loss Breakthrough?”

  1. Zach says:

    Now this is straight up no b.s. article you wrote. You have given everyone the red flags about this system. It’s a shame that people put time and work into these scams and they could have spent the time and effort to be legit. It’s so great to have a person as yourself telling everyone of this scam. I know I won’t be apart of it and I will keep my $100 in my pocket. I also want to thank you for your service to our great nation. it’s people like you who keep us safe from war and scams. God bless you and your family thank you again sir.

  2. Feochadan says:

    I think that if this were actually true that the business model is highly flawed.  If they are creating specific products for EACH user’s DNA, it would be prohibitively expensive to tailer make each product for each individual without it costing more than most can afford.  It’s just not possible.  Thank you for bringing this one to our attention.  I, personally, will be staying clear of this one.

  3. drinkteahub says:

    Another great and extremely honest appraisal of this NutriCellix product. I think you’ve very clearly identified the big problem with this product, or rather, not so much the product but The MLM structure that goes along with it. As ever, I trust your recommendations Tony so, as with other similar products you’ve reviewed, I will be steering well clear. Thanks for sharing.

  4. Denton says:

    I agree personally i think this is a scam without a doubt. We have no proof of it being unique to each individual nor can we tell if the unique formula actually has the desired effect. It is highly plausible the company wAs launched due to the neoura being a new target of the federal investigation.

    In my research i noticed most of these companies that get caught up branch off quickly as to protect some revenue income.  It’s always a little fishy how fast a new one pops up when one gets called upon. Good read i think you will save a lotta people some heartache!

    Nutricellix is most probably one of these pop ups based on what they are offering and conducting.  The price of this ain’t cheap either  

  5. sirshendu says:

    That was an important article on NutriCellix. I can see that you were not very impressed with the product. I went through your reasons and I think you are absolutely right. These days we see a lot of opportunities touting themselves as unique and breakthrough, but I doubt how many of them are actually that. Also, with products like Advocare shutting down left and right and new scams being found out every day, it is really important to choose to invest in the correct products. Thanks for your views, they did indeed help me decide.

  6. Parveen says:

    Hey, I enjoy a lot while reading your article on Nutricellix. I found it very useful for everyone like me. I have seen Nutricellix lately and was not sure what it is all about. It is every where on my social media feed. I have to say that they have a good strategy. 

    This product really looks like it works and I an considering buying it. Thank you for this helpful information,my friend.

  7. Lalita says:

    I agree with you that Isagenix would be a better option than this one. I have a friend whom I really respect when it comes to network marketing, her name is Kim Klaver, and she’s doing Isagenix weight loss business.

    If we will add up what the members are spending, the overall profit in commissions isn’t that big compared to affiliate marketing where members are not required to purchase regularly just to maintain an earning position in a pay plan.

  8. Lucky Thomo says:

    Thanks for the great review. A question is it available outside US? My wife did joined one for MLM companies and she failed at it and I don’t think she might be interested again. The products are they certified by FDA and GMP’s? because the FDA might do as you said what it did to other companies. Anyway it is a great review will a lot of information to make your own judgement. 

  9. Alex says:

    Hi Tony, your review was interesting as I haven’t yet heard of Nutricellix – maybe it’s because I’m in the UK?  I was involved in a few MLM’s over the years, believed them, tried them and then realised my mistake.  Isagenix roped me into buying their one month package to shed a few pounds.  It was expensive, it didn’t work and the worst thing was my “mentor” who talked me into it didn’t ever contact me again after I parted with my money and told him no, I wouldn’t become an Ambassador for them.  

    These companies are clever, they know who to target and how to tempt them and yet they all seem to have such successful people at the top who seem brainwashed.  

    I have bookmarked your site so that I can continue reading with interest.

  10. Gomer says:

    I agree with you that Isagenix would be a better option than this one. I have a friend whom I really respect when it comes to network marketing, her name is Kim Klaver, and she’s doing Isagenix weight loss business. For a big name like her, she would not risk her name be associated with a questionable company. 

    For this Nutricellix, the products seem great but what I am afraid of with this kind of opportunity is, I will have to spend a lot of money buying the products regularly just to maintain my earning position in the pay plan. If we will add up what the members are spending, the overall profit in commissions isn’t that big compared to affiliate marketing where members are not required to purchase regularly just to maintain an earning position in a pay plan.

  11. Jim says:

    Great background on the newest weight loss fad.  I have heard of this on facebook, though I do not know anyone selling this product.  Very informative with the imbedded video and numerous links included in the article.  If this truly is a pyramid scheme like the other companies you mentioned, hopefully the FTC will catch up to them.  Thanks for the info!

  12. Nuttanee says:

    I have seen Nutricellix lately and was not sure what it is all about. It is every where on my social media feed. I have to say that they have a good strategy. Right after the New Years and also custom weight loss plan. Very similar to that blood type diet thing. But no more mlm or pyramid scheme for me! That is why I always do my research and thank god that I found your post. Will stat away from Nutricellix.

    Cheers!

  13. Evagreene says:

    Thank you for this informative review on this product, I was actually thinking, why they launched fewer products this year now I understand the reason  why. For me I think this review isn’t  just for NutriCellix and it’s inefficiency alone but also stressed on the importance of closely watching those MLM companies pooping up every now and then. Thank you for this review.

  14. jacobchivers says:

    Me and my wife I ‘ve been looking for a weight loss product, she is not as bad as me but she still wants to follow this weight loss journey with me. This product really looks like it works and I an considering buying it. Thank you for this helpful information,my friend.

  15. Adam says:

    Hey Tony! A good review of the latest MLM to hit the stage. I or one have pretty much sworn off all MLM or network marketing companies. Not that good money cannot be made with them, but due to the unforeseen possible shutdowns and consequences. Just like you mentioned with Advocare and others.  I would hate to work my arse off only to have the company I helped build (as a network marketer) go under due to negligence or bad management. Although DNA health testing is a real thing, I, like you, do not see this company being able to consistently generate personalized weight loss nutrition. 

  16. Josh says:

    Tony,

    Thanks for the heads up! I’ve heard of NutriCellix and have pondered the idea of “DNA Weight Loss Breakthrough.” But I must add that the $100 DNA test is costly to get your hands on some of their products! For that price, you can acquire information regarding your DNA and ancestry with companies like 23 and me. Also, with the 100 dollars you throw in with this company could better go towards the products themselves. And not a DNA test to “see if you qualify” for the products. Thanks, Tony, for shedding some light on this company and how it operates!

  17. Dave Sweney says:

    Thanks for this thorough review of the NutriCellix products, I had heard of them and wanted to do some further research prior to investing any amount of time or money into them. These days there are so many unfounded claims that it is hard to determine fact from fiction. Your article cleared a lot of things up for me.

    I agree that many people are not going to be comfortable with providing DNA samples to get designer supplements that will specifically be produced to most effectively help them. There is just too much personal data that will be out there if they do that and no guarantee of the security of the data. 

    For that reason alone, I will stay away from this product and service, both as a consumer and an affiliate marketer. I do not feel comfortable recommending something to others, that I myself would not use. You have provided me with the information needed, a great article!

  18. Eric Seil says:

    A very informative review of Nutricellix. I recalled reading one of your initial posts on this weight loss program. I certainly was skeptical about Nutricellix at the time, and your analysis of it was accurate.

    I agree with you that Nutricellix may not be a scam. But with it being fairly new, it’s too early to determine whether this program is worth investing in the long-term. $100 to try out this program sounds too high for something new such as Nutricellix. 

    We’ll have to wait and see whether Nutricellix will be a success or not. I’m glad you recommend to your readers not to invest in it at this time.

    Thanks for sharing, this review was insightful to read about.

  19. Harish says:

    Hey, I enjoy a lot while reading your article on Nutricellix and find it very useful for everyone. While reading I know that NutriCellix, is it a legitimate opportunity created in order to share unique health & wellness products. Now a days as I see Nutricellix is growing day and night. Thanks a lot for sharing an awesome info regarding Nutricellix.

  20. Pentrental says:

    Wow great advice here on NutriCellix! I appreciate the straightforwardness here as it will save me and others lots of grief down the line. With Nutricellix I agree that it’s going to be a tough sell to try and find outside customers who will submit to the test without receiving unique products, and it does sound like a pyramid scheme. The only ones who are going to profit from this product are the owners who appear to be taking advantage of their representatives. Thanks to your post I’ll stay clear of NutriCellix, well done!

  21. Bobbi says:

    I have heard of Nutricellix, I always worry about pyramid schemes and this article is very informative and lets me know that it has only been a month or so since the release of Nutricellix, but I am usually skeptical on newer products and I found this review to be very informative and helpful to me.

  22. Kozakiv says:

    If you help to activate the metabolic processes and stimulate the elimination of fat and excess fluid.It successfully removes the stomach and brings it back to normal.I was then interested in the product.It is probably not very expensive.I tried a lot of meat products and none proved convincing. Thanks for the detailed presentation.

  23. Sebastian says:

    Thank you for this thorough review of NutriCellix!
    It’s the first time I came across this famous NutriCellix who claims to be able to help people lose weight through DNA tests. 

    That’s how the majority of MLM companies pop up every day. They create a product (which doesn’t even hold up), make it a selling point then attract thirsty MLMers fans who are looking to make money online to promote it.

    Just like you, I doubt the authenticity of their product and I find it very expensive.

    Thank you for sharing!! Sure it will help people who are looking to join this MLM company or buy this product to make an informed decision!

  24. Juan Saladin says:

    I was about to get into this “Pyramid” to call it somehow. Thanks a lot for publishing this complete review post. I’ve been out looking for an extra income since the beginning of the year (part of my new year’s resolutions list). 

    The problem with MLMs is that you have to prioritize on others (the corporation) benefits rather than your own to make it sustainable (and it cant be so by long). I’d rather stick to your “Top Recommendation”. I’ve taken a look at it and I love the fact of being free to try as well as how responsive is the entire community. Thanks a lot for sharing these opportunities with us in an honest and professional way.

  25. Travis says:

    Sounds like an interesting opportunity, but it is way to new of a website for me to actually try out. I appreciate your review, I am probably in the minority in thinking that MLM companies do have the possibility of being successful, it is just like any business though you have to put in the work. NutriCellix has a very unique idea here I believe, and I am sure there are many people that will try it out. Who doesn’t want to lose weight right? If they are really able to help people by using their DNA then this will be a hit, I will keep a close eye on it. Thanks for the information!

  26. Robert says:

    Seeing how the science community is in agreement that DNA studies prove that we are all 99% biochemically similar, I find it very hard to believe that DNA plays a key role in how an individual can better lose weight. That fact alone would make me not recommend this product or ANY other product that uses the gimmick of DNA as a selling point.

    MLM companies are notorious for finding some kind of hook to make their products standout above their competition and/or justify the higher than normal price. Obviously the majority of people will not know the fact about DNA that I mentioned above or will take the time to look it up, and that is what NutriCellix is banking on.

    I agree with you that this may not be a scam seeing how the product just launched in January and more time needs to play out for more to be known. I also agree that spending $100.00 for the DNA test will be a hard sell for those customers outside the company. One must also ask, if DNA is the key to losing weight, why wasn’t this more mainstream already?

  27. Paul says:

    Hi Tony,

    As you know very well the weight loss niche is heavily crowded. There are 1000’s of products and all of them claiming they can help people to reduce their weight. However, many of the products under-delivers with low-quality.

    Thanks a lot for your honest review. $100 for the DNA test is quite expensive and on top of that we need to purchase the product which makes it more expensive. As you mentioned, it is not going to be easy to sell this product as well.

    Thanks for the warning and I believe your review will help many people to save their hard-earned money.

  28. Donald says:

    Lol. You nailed the MLM business marketing strategy right there in the first paragraph of this post Mr. Hamilton. But what is Nutricellix really. Is it a business opportunity hiding behind a new fad product, or the other way around. A new fad product hiding behind a supposed business opportunity.. I’m pretty familiar with the MLM companies out there and i’ve never heard of this one before now.

    You said that you don’t think the FTC will be able to checking on them anytime soon, but you might just be wrong. maybe because of that DNA testing thing that they claim to be doing. I wonder where they got the permission to do that. Or better yet. If they got any permission at all.

  29. Hamish58 says:

    Thanks for posting, fascinating!

    For me this demonstrates admirably the 2 sided coin that is ubiquitous information.  I choose the word information because it is a stage short of knowledge.

    To become knowledge information must be tested and validated.  The internet today is full of information and full of knowledge but it is a veritable maze and conundrum to determine which is which unless coming from a bon a fide validated source.

    Anyone can go on the net and publish anything make any claim and profit.  Sadly it is the most gullible and potentially the most needy who fall foul and become victims of this information anarchy.

    This kind of post helps someway to help those would through the ‘fog of war’ but what to do about the others?

    Great article

    Thanks

    Hamish

  30. Sonny says:

    Thank you for sharing this. $100 upfront does sound a bit sketchy especially since the company is barely 2 months old. How much do the customized supplements cost? There’s no definitive price list in the links below your article. Thanks for the heads-up! It’s another one to stay away from.

    Sunny

  31. Julius says:

    Thank you for your review. I have to agree with you, not a particular fan of MLM. And in the same time, I am positively surprise that your government is shutting some “suspicious” businesses down. Very well done. 

    I would be not surprised though, that there are people who would be keen to pay 100$ in order to get their products to create their “dreamed body”. Why not surprised? 95% of population is searching and or believing that the results are coming quick and are easy. In any case, weight loss is definitely not happening overnight with a help of some magic pill.Thanks a lot for sharing!I hope many would find it useful as  I did.

  32. Md Millat says:

    Thank you so much for sharing such an excellent article with us. Your article was interesting and informative. I have got a lot of information about Nutricellix. A unique opportunity to share a unique health and wellness product. This allows me to order my products and then send them to me after analyzing my DNA and creating my unique product. I benefited from reading your article and found out about MLM and found valuable information about Nutricellix. I will share this article with my friends and I think my friends will benefit from reading this article. I have bookmarked your website so that I can come back to your website later. I thank you again for providing such a beautiful post.

  33. Jordan says:

    Hi Tony,

    Recruiting has always launched my red flag alarms, I fell for one once, and I will not do it again.

    So what is NutriCellix? It seems to me that it is another MLM based on the recruiter buying the product and recruiting others to do the same. Which in my books fall under a NO. 

    I think the case of Advocare is typical. In my opinion, NutriCellix will go on the same path BUT time will tell.

    I always prefer working on a stable business opportunity that does not rely on constant recruiting and force selling of products.

    Thanks,

    Jordan. 

  34. Stephanie says:

    As soon as I saw that you have to submit your DNA it was a big no from me. Furthermore, you stated that the company is barely getting its start on the business, so how do I know what type of product am I going to be getting, much worse what will they do with my DNA afterwards? Do they have the proper labs to test them? Even if it wasn’t a scam, I would still not purchase this product. 

  35. Jake says:

    Hi, This is not the first negative review. I’ve seen of this company. Never ceases to amaze me be people are willing to make, the most outrageous claims  always making their products seem more powerful is what They are.. maybe trying not to go with the Get rich quick. Lies and it instead go with lose weight. Switch it around a little bit.

  36. sabrinamou says:

    I am glad to see your article. Your article is really unique and informative. so I read a lot of articles on the internet. I found your article. I think this article will help me a lot. I have heard a great deal about NutriCellix recently and I was feeling this organization would be a real chance to bring in cash in MLM plan of action. It has really answered all the questions I had about NutriCellix.I must admit though, I had my doubts about this. But now, I have more clarity. A very good article with useful information, one of the best I have read.Thanks for sharing. If you don’t mind, I will share this article on my social media account. Good luck!

  37. Danijel says:

    Hello Tony, I must say that this article is very helpful and informative. I heard about NutriCellix from my friend who recommended it to me. I am an affiliate marketer and he thought I could benefit from it. Based on your article I see it is still early to make a decision as I think we should let it mature just to see where it will go.

  38. Steve says:

    Thanks for writing this post on NutriCellix. From what you are saying, I don’t think it is something I will be looking further into for myself. I really don’t trust it as a legitimate source of information or as a weight loss breakthrough. It all seems pretty sketchy to me and to just send away my DNA like that is a little discomforting (call me neurotic). Thanks for taking the time to steer us clear of this one!

  39. Alexa says:

    Although I haven’t heard what NutriCellix is. But it is a bit conceptual for MLM. At least I have no interest in this aspect. I hope I don’t have it in the future. Thank you for finishing the content. I believe it must be very valuable for others. I wish good luck.

  40. Leo says:

    A lot of factors comes into play and has to be thoroughly considered to ensure that the right decision is made as regards the test and other products nutricellix has on offer. Like you mentioned, and rightly so, this company barely opened shop and making any decisions now concerning the legitimacy of their claims would be naive at best. 

  41. James T says:

    NutriCellix. Well, I will not say whether they’re scam or not as I don’t know much about them yet. But from what I’ve read so far, I don’t think I’ll have anything to do with them. Even if they tend to have many positive reviews doesn’t necessarily mean that they will not be targeted by FTC. You’ve really made me aware of this company.

  42. Leon says:

    They need my DNA because they want to create some unique products? Now how can they do that for thousands and deliver immediate results if they were to be patronized. Personally, I see this as a way for them to sell their products. I don’t think I’ll partner myself with a company like this. I’ll look for another.

  43. MrBiizy says:

    I have heard a lot about NutriCellix lately and I was feeling this company would be a legitimate opportunity to make money in MLM business model. I have good reports about their products before. However, considering what you have said, joining NutriCellix MLM business opportunity would be very risky right now considering the cost especially with DNA tests. I read your previous post that talks about Isagenix and I must say I really love Isagenix and if I were to join an MLM business opportunity, that would be a great option.

  44. Benny says:

    Hello tony, I really want to first appreciate your effort in putting this great website together and writing this article. i have heard much about nutricelix and the programs associated with the platform. as an affiliate marketer i would say this is a genuine way to earn more. thanks for the insight

  45. Pablo says:

    Once again MLM companies are in radars of scams. I agree with respect to how difficult it can be to submit a client to a DNA test and also pay 100 dollars!

    I think people will also feel that they are being “analyzed” by the CIA. I don’t think it’s a very safe experience. I haven’t seen the products yet, but I don’t think they are very different from everything we’ve already seen.

    The idea of having your own Amazon account looks interesting, but I don’t think I can balance the fact that people don’t undergo the DNA test.

    Thanks for the review
    regards
    Pablo

  46. Stratos K says:

    I think the major problem with this program is definitely the DNA test. I don’t think that there are many people willing to forgo this test and in general to sell a product you have to go through all this trouble I think it will make a lot of people to turn away in a hurry. No matter how good the end product may be I can see this going down very fast.

  47. arzu hosan says:

    Many thanks to you for sharing such a beautiful article with us and for the opportunity to discuss a wonderful topic through you. I’m an affiliate marketer and I’ve always wanted to do affiliate marketing through my website. I see through you that you have a very nice discussion about NutriCellix. I wanted to sell this product through affiliate marketing because I heard that this product is a very good product. Still, I was curious about this product because I wanted to know how good this product is? Then when I read your article I found out that you said that many people disagree with this product  And you advised us to do affiliate marketing on this product, we would have to wait for a while. 

  48. Shanta Rahman says:

    Many thanks to you for sharing such an excellent article and I have been doing business online as an affiliate marketer and I always look for new products to promote on my websites. I’ve heard a lot about NutriCellix and I think I should do more research because it’s hard to find a great deal of science about it. It made me very worried   . They say this powder is made for DNA requirements but to me it is not the DNA idea that has me deeply concerned  .And there is a lot of information about your article A that I am very happy to see and I think we should wait because it will be sure  about once it is fully launched and the verdict. Thank you again for your heartfelt recommendation .

  49. Tracy says:

    Hi Tony! First I want to say thank you for your service! Second, I am very sorry to hear about your wife. You seem like a great guy who enjoys helping others and that is a fantastic quality! Anyway, thanks for this very useful article on NutriCellix. They want my DNA? What? For $100! What!? LOL, I am tired of seeing scams like this, and even more tired of seeing innocent people fall for them. I truly appreciate you taking the time to help us stay informed. 

  50. Rodarrick says:

    This is really great to see and thank you for sharing out here. In all honesty, nutricellix does offer great product plus the fact that it does receive some positive reviews all around. The only issue I have is that the business model is not really what I wish to invest into due to some reasons. However, this is good. Thanks

  51. Anastazja says:

    Although I have an online business as an affiliate marketer, I am always looking for products to promote on my websites.  I have heard about NutriCellix and have considered becoming involved after doing more research.  It has been difficult to find out a great deal about the science behind their claims.  It is not the DNA concept that concerns me, but the powder that they say is formulated for specific DNA requirements.  These is not much about that.  At any rate, I appreciate you article about the structure and business model.

  52. Rui Santos says:

    Interesting post Tony and good advice on avoiding yet another MLM fiasco/scam for the unwary. I think definitely a case that if it looks too good to be true, it probably is. No doubt there must be some MLM opportunities out there that provide legitimate products and legitimate potential business opportunities, but I think given the long history of scandal after another most of us just make a dash for the door at the mention of this business model. 

  53. Henry says:

    Since new year I have heard about 3 different promotions regarding NutriCellix. I started to see the idea attractive so I decided to research a bit. I was glad to see your site has a lot of information concerning this platform. And thanks for giving your honest recommendation of not joining.

  54. joshua collins says:

    This is interesting and I think the points you are making is valid as it seems like NutriCellix are trying to play on ‘unique’ just to sell the product and get more people into the scheme. 

    Making a product which is completely unique for every individual is tough, so to believe that well I am not sure what to think yet.

    So I think like you say let’s wait it out see what everyone says about it when it’s fully launched and make judgements.

    But I would say $100 startup plus the word MLM, isn’t a good start?

    Josh

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